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Nicholas Reynolds's avatar

I'll defer to Sara for expertise on China -- but yes my impression is that it wasn't like an on/off switch or an either/or proposition. We (the US) had relations with both the Communists and the anti-Communists in China in the 1940s. And yes we were allied with the Soviets against Nazi Germany during WW II. It's a complicated world!

Lori Botzet's avatar

There's got to be many stories to learn about this time in history and the state of our relationship today. The same goes with the former Soviet Union, now Russia. Switching alliances for military or worse national gain is a constant in Military history. But it's never really been studied. Makes you wonder who's really in charge.

Ahmed’s Stack of Subs's avatar

tuchman’s book on stillwell mentions carlson several times.

Mark McGrath | OODA Synthesist's avatar

Such a great story, with lessons far beyond the military. And make sure you accompany it with the 1943 "Gung Ho!"

The bottom line is at 14:50 when the CO gives the Gung Ho speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5pAYa44DY

Ritchie, Robert Francis's avatar

Curious, the USMC colors are similar to those displayed by the Chinese. Might be a reach but to what effect would Chinese influences in training Marines to this day in teamwork and egalitarianism (I still wear a Marine ring fifty years since boot camp) may have manifested themselves through acculturation with heraldic items etc.

Mark McGrath | OODA Synthesist's avatar

The Chinese influences on the USMC are intense, especially in the pre WWII days.

Ritchie, Robert Francis's avatar

Thanks Mark-an example of sinicization?

Appreciate it!

Mark McGrath | OODA Synthesist's avatar

The USMC has been directly involved in the Far East, including China, in some way shape or form since the 1800s.

One of a myriad of examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Marines

Ritchie, Robert Francis's avatar

Yes sir, I've been teaching for years that the Marines approach to training troops seems to be borrowed from China and one somewhat (fortunately) contrary to a more Democratic approach one might expect to see within the USA.

Nicholas Reynolds's avatar

Thanks, David! I read the book but Sara did the heavy lifting here.

Al Mongeon's avatar

It will certainly be on my reading list.

Neal Fargo's avatar

I'll be adding this to my reading list.

David Gran's avatar

Great review, Nick & Sara! Incredibly interesting. I’m sold… it’s on my list.

Sara's avatar

You will not be disappointed, David! It is a great read.